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dmummey
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"cinderella"
 
   ok i am not trying t be one f those moms.. but I watched this with my 3 yr old.. and realized quickly it was not really good for her to watch. I understand it was made in the 50's.

AND of course I love it.. but does anyone know if the 2 newer cinderella sequels are a little less? uhm 1950? he he he

Don't really need my 3 year old calling some one a stupid foolish imbecile!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: cinderella tracey e Aug-31-10 1
     RE: cinderella dlmummey Aug-31-10 2
  RE: cinderella hopeful soul Aug-31-10 3
     RE: cinderella april Aug-31-10 4
         RE: cinderella hopeful soul Aug-31-10 5
         RE: cinderella tracey e Aug-31-10 7
         RE: cinderella luci_0775 Aug-31-10 8
     RE: cinderella tracey e Aug-31-10 6
         RE: cinderella KJ O Aug-31-10 9
             RE: cinderella tracey e Sep-01-10 12
  RE: cinderella msmicah Aug-31-10 10
     RE: cinderella tracey e Sep-01-10 11
         RE: cinderella Lynda V Sep-01-10 13
  RE: cinderella Rox Sep-01-10 14

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tracey e
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1. "RE: cinderella"
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The one with Brandi that's not animated is more hip and way more politically correct (to extremes, but that's 'nother rant) but my kids never liked it as much. And there are worse vocabulary words than stupid foolish imbecile LOL.

Not to sound like another of *those* moms, but most of the older Disney movies have messages young girls don't need- that the world revolves around getting your prince instead of taking care of yourself. Why didn't Cinderella stand up for herself?? She never does in any of the versions, btw. Then you've got Lion King where the poor dude spends the movie thinking he killed his dad, and Lilo who's trying to stay out of the system after she loses her parents, not something I want my four year old dreaming about at night! ... but they're so stinkin cute with catchy music so we keep mindlessly buying them.

Tracey
Jupiter, FL


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dlmummey
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Aug-31-10, 07:55 AM (CST)
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2. "RE: cinderella"
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   I agree.....

DAWN

Happy reading Ladies!!!!


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hopeful soul
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3. "RE: cinderella"
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   I love Cinderella! As a child, I used to watch it everyday, followed by Sleeping Beauty. It's funny, it wasn't until all this propoganda started about the hidden messages that Disney movies teach our young kids that I realized how it could affect a young girl's self image.

But, to me, growing up, I didn't see Cinderella as a girl waiting for a prince to rescue her. If she was, she wouldn't have lost her shoe. She wouldn't have run away from the Prince when he was clearly in love with her. She wouldn't have gone back to her life as her step-mother's servant - makes me wonder why she did. Why did she choose to go back, when she found a way to get free from them?

I saw Cinderella as a girl with resilience, someone who made the best of the situation. Yes, her life sucked, but she was able to find her own bits of happiness where she could. She always saw the silver lining, always abundantly patient, and she had the most precious gift still: her ability to dream. She didn't need material wealth to make her happy, like her step-sisters, and that her happiness was derived from her friends (even if they were animals) and she believed true love conquers all. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with a message like that.

As for Lion King, you can blame that story line on Shakespeare's Hamlet.

But with anything kids watch, the only way to deal with the after-effects is to talk to your kids about it. Ask them questions: Why did Simba believe he was to blame for his father's death? Should he have stayed back to question his uncle or himself to face the truth or to run away? Should Cinderella have been treated like that? What could she have done to better her life? If you get kids talking about it, I believe you get them to think critically about it.

Besides, like romance novels, what's wrong in letting yourself believe in ideals from time to time?


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april
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4. "RE: cinderella"
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I'm not a fan of a lot of the Classic Disney movies. I won't rant here because I get carried away.

My favorite was always Beauty and the Beast which did come out when I was in college. When I was a kid, I was a fan of The Jungle Book even if, as a kid, I thought Mowgli should have stayed with the animals instead of following some girl around like an idiot.

As much as I love romance, I find most of the movies all centered around finding love with no actual relationship which always bugged me. It's like you had once dance with the guy and he returned your shoe, that's not the basis of a relationship let alone one that just wakes you up. I always thought that was unrealistic (which is weird because I never had a problem with the talking animals).


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hopeful soul
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5. "RE: cinderella"
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   Good Point April! I guess, I grew up in a culture where sometimes you were only alloted one dance - well ok not even, one dinner date chaperoned at that, before you married a guy. So for a lot of us who knew we were going to have an arranged marriage, we really did believe in love at first sight. You really hoped it would happen, otherwise you'd end up spending a lifetime with a man who did nothing for you.


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tracey e
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7. "RE: cinderella"
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Belle rocks! She's not afraid to be different.

Tracey
Jupiter, FL


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luci_0775
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8. "RE: cinderella"
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   Beauty and The Beast was the film i went to watch with my husband the first time we went out. It was Christmas Day 1992 and we were with around 12 other friends . Love that movie. I doubt my kids watched Cinderella - the one i loved showing Emma when she was young was The Little Mermaid - that one's great.

Luci
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tracey e
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6. "RE: cinderella"
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When an adult reads a romance novel, we know it's an ideal and a fantasy. When little girls watch these movies from the time they learn to talk, they're picking up all sorts of ideas that aren't necessarily healthy. My kids were playing with Barbie and watching Princess movies long before they were old enough for me to have a meaningful discussion with them about it. Which I have done ad nauseum, of course.

funny aside... D used to LOVE Snow White. Literally lived in her SW dress for months when she was 3, I have pictures of it tattered and falling off her it was so worn out. She'd put on her dress and go get an apple to eat while she watched the movie. Obviously a few things went over her head LOL

Tracey
Jupiter, FL


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KJ O
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9. "RE: cinderella"
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   I don't worry too much about things like this, maybe it is naive of me but I feel like the attitude DH and I portray has more of an impact than any disney movie can impart. Not that I let them watch whatever they want but I tend to think the cute little mice and all the pretty songs will be more what they'll remember than the exact phrasing of an poorly written script. I actually have a much harder time with Wall-E than any of the other Disney's but I'm weird like that.

Jeanna
Southern New Mexico


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tracey e
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12. "RE: cinderella"
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My kids did an animation program at Disney when they were making Wall-e and learned about some of the technical things that went into it, so we were excited to see it when it was released. All three of us hated it!

Tracey
Jupiter, FL


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msmicah
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10. "RE: cinderella"
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Let's think about The Little Mermaid. A teenager (who is supposed to be having her 'Coming Out') disobeys her father multiple times, sells her soul to the devil and gets married as a teenager. My kids haven't seen that one!

Micah


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tracey e
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11. "RE: cinderella"
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At least she got married before she had kids in the sequel! I always thought the second one was perfect, clearly a mom came up with the concept- Ariel gets a daughter just like her LOL

Tracey
Jupiter, FL


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Lynda V
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13. "RE: cinderella"
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Oh don't get me started on Disney movies, don't have enough time this morning...I have never liked them after one of them scared the crap out of my DS at 2 years old...don't even remember which one it was. I just don't like the fact that there is so much 'evil' in the movies.

~~LighthouseLady~~
East Coast of Central Florida


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Rox
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14. "RE: cinderella"
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imo, these stories are toxic for little girls. teaching them at a young age that some guy out there is gonna "save" or "rescue" them is just plain wrong. how about cinderella empowers herself, becomes a lawyer and suits the crap out of step mom and the sisters? Or she becomes a social service person to ensure this doesn't happen to others. this 50's mentality is antiquated and dangerous for young impressionable minds. again, just my opinion.....


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